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Pitchers batting 8th?

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According to this Sports Illustrated Article, Tony LaRussa is planning on continuing his trend of batting pitchers in the 8th hole, and putting a "second leadoff" hitter in the 9th spot.

I can see some of the reasoning behind it, and the Cardinals are kind of an exception because their pitchers led the NL in OPS in 2007.

But, inversely, the strategy can backfire. Each spot down in the batting order receives about 20 less Plate Appearances over 162 games. And what about when there are ducks on the pond for the 8th place hitter? In most cases, I'd rather have Aaron Miles in that spot instead of your average pitcher.

Using one of my favorite toys, Baseball Musings Lineup Analysis, I'll do a couple quick and dirty experiments just to see what effect some different lineups have. I'm using the Baseball Prospectus PECOTA projections.

Just to keep things simple, I'll give it a shot with both Miles and Brendan Ryan in the 9th hole, and flip back to "traditional" to see how it changes expected Runs Scored/Game. I'll do it using the team average stats for pitchers in 2007, and also using Kip Wells, who is a batting stud.

Basically, with the average Cardinals pitcher, the best situation is either Ryan or Miles batting 9th and the pitcher batting 8th. In fact, this combination results in about an additional .130 runs/game. This may not sound like much, but over the course of a 162 games, this could result in 20+ additional runs. With Kip Wells pitching, the advantages go even higher for batting a position player 9th.


So maybe Tony LaRussa does have something here. But even with this radical lineup change, he is missing a big opportunity. According to Lineup Analysis, the best lineup possible is one which features Pujols batting 1st and the pitcher batting 6th or 7th. By doing this, it adds over an additional .1 run/game. I think it's safe to say that we will never see such a crazy lineup in a modern MLB game though.

More Fun with PECOTA: Projecting 2008 Records

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An interesting experiment I'm giving a shot this year is projecting win-loss records using the PECOTA projections.

I'm going to try it using Bill James' Pythagorean Expectation formula, The formula basically uses runs scored and runs allowed to estimate how many games a baseball team should have won, or should win.

Here is a summary of how I will do this. I provide the details on each step below.

  1. Estimate runs scored using projected lineup and PECOTA stats
  2. Estimate runs allowed using projected rotation and bullpen, and PECOTA runs allowed for that staff
  3. Use Pythagorean Expectations formula to estimate winning percentage.
  4. Apply that winning percentage to a 162-game schedule.

To get the runs scored, I'll use PECOTA hitting projections along with the very excellent Lineup Analysis tool at Baseball Musings to project runs scored for what should be the team's opening day lineup. I'll use last years lineups and common sense (according the the average baseball manager anyway) on what the lineup should be, not what the Lineup Analysis tool gives as the most efficient lineup. The tool gives Runs per game, so multiply that by 162, and that gives you a runs projection based on the projected stats.

For pitchers, my approach will be somewhat similar to the one taken here. For the pitcher player pool, I'll use the projected depth charts from RotoTimes. I'll use the starting rotation(including spot starter, if specified), closer, and 3 best projected bullpen arms. I'll then use the runs allowed projections and innings pitched projections from PECOTA to estimate total runs allowed. Because I'm not using the full bullpen, the numbers will have to be adjusted to equal a full season of pitching. I'll just use a multiplier on the runs to equal approximately how many innings the entire staff should pitch.

After I have the projected runs scored and allowed, I'll plug them into the Pythagorean Expectations formula. Note that I will be using an exponent of 1.82, because this is deemed to be more accurate than the traditional square. There are more accurate ways to get the exponent (see Pythagenpat), but since my source data is probably wildly off from actual seasonal performance, I'll just stick the the simple 1.82 .

The Pythagorean Expectations yields a winning percentage, so I'll just multiply that by 162 to get estimated wins by the team in question.

Before I get any emails attacking my process here, I realize that this is probably not the best way to estimate what the team records will be. I've tried to make the process somewhat simple to allow me to estimate all the teams in the majors. These will more than likely be off. Remember the process is building on projected player stats, which are then projected out even further. It doesn't take into account bench players, injuries, other bullpen arms, and the like. So don't bet anything on what I give here. But, I'm giving it a shot. It's just for fun.

I'll tackle a division per day until I finish. I have a final exam tonight, so I probably won't be able to post the first division until Tuesday night. Check back then, or subscribe to the feed.

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